From lime or calcined wine lees
Strasbourg Manuscript: lye from calcined wine lees (Neven 170) who quotes Colmarer Kunstbuch.
Alchemy of Paint
Bucklow (28-29, 48, 61-64, 69,75,109, 200)
First Lye post with personal references
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Monday, July 9, 2018
Sunday, January 15, 2017
2016 sap green from Buckthorn Experiment 2 Results
This experiment began in November 2016 and was finished up at the beginning of 2017.
The ripe buckthorn, Rhamnus spp., juice had been extracted from refrigerated, and slightly dessicated buckthorn berries from Saco, Maine. The berries were reconstituted with distilled water (DW), and then rock alum (potassium aluminum sulfate) was added to the juice. Commercially available gum Arabic was then used with distilled water to paint it out on 12/23/16.
By 12/29/16 the dark blue had turned to dark green and further trials were performed.
The change of color from blue to green suggests a few possibilities to me. Either the alum had a chance to change the buckthorn after sitting with it for a while or it could have come into contact with calcium carbonate contaminates from the enviornment like egg or clam shell (neither of which are scarce in my house) or the Strathmore Bristol vellum finish paper is prepared with a buffer that reacted with the acids and berry juice.
Further trials were painted out from the original berry juice with alum in the palette and shell with gum. More distilled water was used to re-hydrate the paint and thin it out for greater visibility.
The juice with alum alone, in a clam shell and with crushed egg shell all yield what I would describe as a gentle sap green. The trial with lye turned from a rather interesting olive to quite a bright yellow reminiscent of the yellow yielded from the green buckthorn drupes and in another ripe drupe recipe discussed here.
The ripe buckthorn, Rhamnus spp., juice had been extracted from refrigerated, and slightly dessicated buckthorn berries from Saco, Maine. The berries were reconstituted with distilled water (DW), and then rock alum (potassium aluminum sulfate) was added to the juice. Commercially available gum Arabic was then used with distilled water to paint it out on 12/23/16.
By 12/29/16 the dark blue had turned to dark green and further trials were performed.
The change of color from blue to green suggests a few possibilities to me. Either the alum had a chance to change the buckthorn after sitting with it for a while or it could have come into contact with calcium carbonate contaminates from the enviornment like egg or clam shell (neither of which are scarce in my house) or the Strathmore Bristol vellum finish paper is prepared with a buffer that reacted with the acids and berry juice.
Further trials were painted out from the original berry juice with alum in the palette and shell with gum. More distilled water was used to re-hydrate the paint and thin it out for greater visibility.
The juice with alum alone, in a clam shell and with crushed egg shell all yield what I would describe as a gentle sap green. The trial with lye turned from a rather interesting olive to quite a bright yellow reminiscent of the yellow yielded from the green buckthorn drupes and in another ripe drupe recipe discussed here.
Friday, September 16, 2016
Buckthorn yellow 2016
This year I decided to try using concepts from De Arte Illuminandi to try unripe, green berries to make yellow, a possibility indicated by the translators.
That page of Merrifield's text explains,
and the result is reinforced by the Pigment Compendium that explains,
Here's a preview picture of them,
And now I'll explain how I made them, just click 'read more' below.
Two pigments were and are derived from Rhamnus berries; a yellow and a green. The product of the unripe berries is the Giallo santo (cf. M. P. Merrifield, op cit., I clxiv), known in English by the extraordinary names, "Italian Pink" and "Dutch Pink."(Thompson and Hamilton 43)
That page of Merrifield's text explains,
Giallo santo was a kind of yellow lake, which was made from various plants. It was sometimes prepared from the berries of buckthorn (Merrifield clxiv)
and the result is reinforced by the Pigment Compendium that explains,
various species of the Rhamnacea family give a yellow dye on extraction of the unripe berries (drupes)It seems that the medieval artists more commonly would have probably used the local ochers from the land or orpiment, arsenic sulfide, or one of the lead yellows... but I have buckthorn berries from Saco, that I picked, for free, and don't feel like playing with arsenic or lead today!
Here's a preview picture of them,
| yellow clothlets from green buckthorn berries in the foreground, sap green clothlets behind |
Wednesday, September 14, 2016
Buckthorn 2016
Wednesday, May 4, 2016
EK Gazette Iris and Sap Green
Arts & Sciences Research Paper #9: Making green paint medievally with spring irises and fall buckthorn berries
02 Monday May 2016Posted by mollyeskridge in A&S Research Papers, Arts and Sciences
#9: Making green paint medievally with spring irises and fall buckthorn berries
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Our ninth A&S Research Paper comes to us from Lady Adrienne d’Evreus, of the Province of Malagentia. She turns to the flora of her woodlands to learn ways that medieval painters made green pigments. (Prospective future contributors, please check out our original Call for Papers.)
Making green paint medievally with spring
irises and fall buckthorn berries

Iris flower and buckthorn berries. Photo by Adrienne d’Evreus.
Wednesday, April 6, 2016
lye
I am still learning about lye. Here's a list of notes for me and you about what authors and craftsmen who wrote medieval books probably used in their paint-dye-pigment 'recipes'.
A comment from Randy Asplund on Facebook 8/2015 I found very helpful:
Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting
from woad pg 136-7
Alchemy of Paint
From Geffrei Maudeleyne the way to make it is found here:
From another source Prof. D. V. Thompson translated, De Arte Illuminandi pp. 36-7, footnote 47 "Lye made from the wood of the vine or of oaks is specified in Section 12. p. 8 above. It is of course, to be understood that the lye is made from the ashes of these woods. This is the product generally indicated by the Latin lixivium; its alkalinity depends largely upon the potassium carbonate, 'potash,'
Potassium Carbonate, K2CO3.
A comment from Randy Asplund on Facebook 8/2015 I found very helpful:
"Potash vs. Potash. A while back someone asked me a question about pigment making and the answer involved potash. I don't remember who or exactly what, but I was just thinking that I ought to be more clear and differentiate between the two kinds of potash and the difference between that and "lye" ("ley"). The medieval potash, aka "lixivium" is Potassium CARBONATE (K2CO3) and THAT is the best thing to use in recipes for making things like iris green. That's what they used in the middle ages. You make it. Making it from hardwoods and vines is a diluted product.
The other potash is "caustic potash" which is KOH (potassium HYDROXIDE). You can buy both in crystal form. Be careful, because the crystals are very potent, and the hydroxide version is likely to kill your color.
Avoid using the kitchen lye because it is really caustic. It is NOT what you want."
Materials and Techniques of Medieval Painting
from woad pg 136-7
Alchemy of Paint
From Geffrei Maudeleyne the way to make it is found here:
From another source Prof. D. V. Thompson translated, De Arte Illuminandi pp. 36-7, footnote 47 "Lye made from the wood of the vine or of oaks is specified in Section 12. p. 8 above. It is of course, to be understood that the lye is made from the ashes of these woods. This is the product generally indicated by the Latin lixivium; its alkalinity depends largely upon the potassium carbonate, 'potash,'
K2CO3, extracted from
the ashes. Oak wood, vine branches, beech wood, and particularly
varieties of Artemisia, yield ashes rich in this alkaline carbonate. A
word of warning must be given to experimenters not to use caustic
potash, potassium hydroxide, KOH. Both KOH and NaOH2, sodium hydroxide
are often called lye nowadays, but their use would often lead to failure
in carrying out rules in which the milder carbonate solution, the
common medieval lixivium, is called for. Solutions of commercial K2CO3
may be used safely, to avoid the inconvenience of lixiviating ashes for
the purpose. If the lixivium is to be boiled with quicklime, as
occasionally directed (e.g. Sloane 416, folio 137r. 'A fare fina
lacha'), the potassium carbonate lye should be replaced by the
hydroxide; but in the absence of special indications, the carbonate lye
should be understood. See note 83, p. 45 below"
and in Neven's Strasbourg Manuscript (170)
and in Neven's Strasbourg Manuscript (170)
Tuesday, March 22, 2016
Buckthorn berries, Yellow Experiment(s) 2
I tried to begin to follow another source to produce yellow. I was working from Merrifield's Bolognese Manuscript, De Fiendis Viridibus again! This book is so big, I'll never run out of possibilities. :D I will, ultimately, have to read it cover to cover. I know I'm missing her details about general color production, opinions and her references.
The last ripe berries from Shana's New Hampshire Buckthorn bushes, about 30g, only yielded about 20 drops of juice so that attempt was unsuccessful. At the end of September I found Buckthorn across the street in Saco. I acquired the appropriate permission and went picking berries. Someday I need to find an identification key for these Rhamnus spp bushes. These berries seem plumper and larger, it must be a different variety or maybe they're just really ripe?
The 189g of big, juicy berries were manually squished with gloved hands and squeezed through cheesecloth to yield about 63g sludgy juice that I closed in a jar.
With fall archery events we were busy for more than the next month. The juice sat closed in the jar for almost five weeks. That was longer than the instructions indicated but I'm a volunteer... busy with being an archery safety officer and regular life activities when I'm not doing scribal or other Arts&Sciences projects!
I noted that when I finally opened the jar that the juice was definitely fermented and smelled like wine.
Athena Thickstun's blog helped me define that a 'fiasco' of wine is 2 liters. One quarter of that would be 500g. I didn't need that much so I made a smaller batch. Taking 200g distilled water I added a teaspoon of lye, K2CO3 (<1g on the kitchen scale that I had access to since I flooded the little one I had been using). Then I added about the same quantity of alum (aluminum sulfate Al2(SO4)3. which resulted in immediate fizzling. [I have since found out that that is the wrong alum. Next time I will use rock alum which I have learned is KAl(SO4)2.] As instructed I heated it in my corning ware sauce pot on low for the time that it took me to recite the Our Father prayer in Latin:
"Very fine white earth like the fellmongers use" is defined in Alexander's glossary in the Dover edition of Merrifield's treatises as lime.
In the spring of 2016 I was able to come back to this experiment.
I found pulverized (vs. pelletized) lime at one of the big box garden centers.
Speaking to Randy Asplund about it again he advised that I was basically making a lake pigment and elaborated on the volume of a mezetta, "In Florence the mezzetta was equal to 0.7613 liters." I recalled that I had made a smaller volume and not very accurately measured the lye and water in the fall because my little scale had died the quick death of drowning in a different experiment. Water under the bridge; I'll know the correct mezzetta volume next time! Regardless, this might have worked anyway.
Back to creating a lake pigment... Cool! I have never made a lake. The Materials and Techniques of medieval painting talks about brazil lakes:
This experiment produced beautiful yellows! Some day I'll try to paint with them. I bet you can paint with the plain juice like with the sap green as a transparent glaze. I wonder if you can make a green lake with that juice with lime or eggshells too. Anyway, yay yellow!
Mr. Asplund advises that this yellow lake can be produced in the same way from green berries too. Awesome!
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| Merrifield pg 428 |
The 189g of big, juicy berries were manually squished with gloved hands and squeezed through cheesecloth to yield about 63g sludgy juice that I closed in a jar.
With fall archery events we were busy for more than the next month. The juice sat closed in the jar for almost five weeks. That was longer than the instructions indicated but I'm a volunteer... busy with being an archery safety officer and regular life activities when I'm not doing scribal or other Arts&Sciences projects!
I noted that when I finally opened the jar that the juice was definitely fermented and smelled like wine.
Athena Thickstun's blog helped me define that a 'fiasco' of wine is 2 liters. One quarter of that would be 500g. I didn't need that much so I made a smaller batch. Taking 200g distilled water I added a teaspoon of lye, K2CO3 (<1g on the kitchen scale that I had access to since I flooded the little one I had been using). Then I added about the same quantity of alum (aluminum sulfate Al2(SO4)3. which resulted in immediate fizzling. [I have since found out that that is the wrong alum. Next time I will use rock alum which I have learned is KAl(SO4)2.] As instructed I heated it in my corning ware sauce pot on low for the time that it took me to recite the Our Father prayer in Latin:
Pater noster qui es in coelis sanctificetur nomen tuum.Adding the prepared lye/alum/water to the jar of juice there was an immediate color change of the reddish juice to a yellow/green liquid.
Adveniat regnum tuum. Fiat voluntas tua sicut in coela et in terra.
Panem nostrum quotidianum da nobis hodie.
Et dimitte nobis debita nostra, sicut et nos demittimus debitoribus nostris.
Et ne nos inducas in temptationem.
Sed libera nos a malo.
Amen.
"Very fine white earth like the fellmongers use" is defined in Alexander's glossary in the Dover edition of Merrifield's treatises as lime.
In the spring of 2016 I was able to come back to this experiment.
I found pulverized (vs. pelletized) lime at one of the big box garden centers.
Speaking to Randy Asplund about it again he advised that I was basically making a lake pigment and elaborated on the volume of a mezetta, "In Florence the mezzetta was equal to 0.7613 liters." I recalled that I had made a smaller volume and not very accurately measured the lye and water in the fall because my little scale had died the quick death of drowning in a different experiment. Water under the bridge; I'll know the correct mezzetta volume next time! Regardless, this might have worked anyway.
Back to creating a lake pigment... Cool! I have never made a lake. The Materials and Techniques of medieval painting talks about brazil lakes:
Sometimes the decoction of brazil wood with alum was precipitated with chalk, and a more opaque, pink, rose colour was produced by the resulting admixture of calcium sulphate to the alumina lake. Sometimes, in England, instead of adding chalk to the solution, a chalk stone was hollowed out, and little holes were made in the bottom of the hollow, and the hot alum solution coloured with brazil was poured into the hollow of the chalk. The reaction between the alum and the chalk took place at the surface of the chalk stone, in that case, and a crust of semi-opaque brazil lake was formed in the hollow and in the little holes.So, since I'm making a lake, I tried both crushed eggshell and pulverized lime. I took about 10 g of each and pipetted off about 5 g of liquid from the jar into each material. The eggshell is probably not pulverized enough to paint with. I wonder if I can mull it or crush it down and use it anyway. And just maybe add more of the buckthorn/aluminum sulfate/lye juice after "in order that it may become more beautiful and of a brighter colour" (Merrifield 428)
When lakes were made by precipitating the alum solution with the chalk, the calcium sulphate was formed automatically along with the lake, in intimate combination with it. Sometimes brazil lakes were given some opacity by adding opaque substances to them at the moment of precipitation, and even after. When white lead was used, as it sometimes was, it had no other effect than to give a little substance to the lake, to make it a little less transparent, and to develop the rosy colour. when marble dust and powdered egg shells were added to the newly formed lakes, or introduced along with the precipitating agent, they probably had the further effect of controlling the colour produced by reacting chemically with any excess of alum which might give a brown cast instead of the desired rose. In all these cases the brazil colour was mordanted upon the white material, whether calcium sulphate, or an excess of chalk, or white lead, or marble dust, or powered egg shells. The white substances were, so to speak, dyed with the brazil; and the pigment so formed was different from a mixture of a finished lake with the white pigment. (Thompson 119)
| Buckthorn yellow. Ripe buckthorn berry juice with lye and aluminum sulfate with crushed eggshell. |
| Buckthorn yellow. Ripe buckthorn berry juice with lye and aluminum sulfate with pulverized lime. |
Mr. Asplund advises that this yellow lake can be produced in the same way from green berries too. Awesome!
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